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qroach Full Member Offline Posts: 102 London Gender:	Re: is AI the way to go in future? Reply #15 - 07/21/08 at 11:49:39 I guess, the mankind will eventually succeed in mimicking brain activity...
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Algo Designer Forum Administrator Offline Nihil desperandum Posts: 181 Sydney Gender:	Re: is AI the way to go in future? Reply #16 - 07/21/08 at 12:03:36 qroach wrote on 07/21/08 at 11:49:39: I guess, the mankind will eventually succeed in mimicking brain activity... Who knows, this might have already happened! Consider Nick Bostrom's Simulation argument. http://www.simulation-argument.com/
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qroach Full Member Offline Posts: 102 London Gender:	Re: is AI the way to go in future? Reply #17 - 07/21/08 at 12:47:54 ...This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes...
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qroach Full Member Offline Posts: 102 London Gender:	Re: is AI the way to go in future? Reply #18 - 07/21/08 at 12:49:38 interesting links you give, Algo D. Not all of them lead to crasy ideas...
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Reply #19 - 07/21/08 at 14:12:27

qroach wrote on 07/21/08 at 12:47:54:

...This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes...

Entertaining indeed, but The Thirteenth Floor is more elegant conceptually.

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Reply #20 - 07/21/08 at 14:12:28

I have skimmed through (the simulation argument) and has found it a rather strange argument. The logic is almost everywhere probabilistic, i.e. "hence" and "therefore" are substituted with "likely" and "almost certainly".

I guess, we need a philosofical corner on this forum for the topic...

Never heard of 13th floor, thanks. I would venture the film "Idiocracy" as mildly relevant movie to problems of AI and I in general...

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Z Newbie Offline Reality is not your friend. Posts: 8 London Gender:	Re: is AI the way to go in future? Reply #21 - 07/31/08 at 05:59:16 Stupid firewall at work... all the good links are blocked
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Algo Designer Forum Administrator Offline Nihil desperandum Posts: 181 Sydney Gender:	Re: is AI the way to go in future? Reply #22 - 07/31/08 at 10:12:50 If you are disturbed or excited about the Technological Singularity, you might find this site interesting: http://www.kurzweilai.net/index.html?flash=1
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Algo Designer Forum Administrator Offline Nihil desperandum Posts: 181 Sydney Gender:	Re: is AI the way to go in future? Reply #23 - 07/31/08 at 10:14:20 Z wrote on 07/31/08 at 05:59:16: Stupid firewall at work... all the good links are blocked Be careful... The boss is watching :-)
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will Newbie Offline I like this forum! Posts: 8	Re: is AI the way to go in future? Reply #24 - 12/17/08 at 00:32:31 I believe AI is useful. What I am doing is natural computation, such as genetic algorithm, genetic programming, particle swarm optimisation, grammatical evolution, which are very useful for problems of optimisation and modle induction.
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Reply #25 - 08/01/09 at 18:59:04

Hi,

My opinion on AI etc.

If you give inputs for your model with predictive capabilty you will be able to predict future price movement (profitable trading system). If your inputs don't have any predictive power you will only do a good curve fitting on past data and it will fail on future data.

I've used a software package called chaoshunter (refer to www.chaoshunter.com). This package will at least help you to realise the importance to find good input for your trading model. Most people waist there time on developing AI software. Rather buy some neural network package and you will realize that usefull inputs are most important.

Just my opinion.

I'm willing to test anything for anyone in chaoshunter. I need open,close price and inputs to be used in a csv file format. This is really excellent software but it will quickly show how difficult it is to show good results on out of sample data.

Regards
Derik

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