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Message started by zip10065nyc on 01/27/09 at 16:00:09

Title: seed capital to stat arb / high frequency trading.
Post by zip10065nyc on 01/27/09 at 16:00:09

can anyone provide seed capital to stat arb and high frequency trading?  i will let my performance numbers talk if you have seed capital.....expected annual return is about mid-teen or higher with annual vol of 5%-6% and max annual drawdown of about 3%-4%....thank you very much!

Title: Re: seed capital to stat arb / high frequency trading.
Post by sams on 03/10/09 at 05:03:29

lets talk if FX algo trading, FIX API. USD 5-10 mio trading line available. I need some basic info to start with

Title: Re: seed capital to stat arb / high frequency trading.
Post by zip10065nyc on 03/10/09 at 13:34:12

sorry - it is not FX; it is on US equity and market direction neutral option trading.....still interested?

Title: Re: seed capital to stat arb / high frequency trading.
Post by gauravr on 04/08/09 at 06:23:41

Hi...
We at irage capital are beginning Automated Trading in India. We are looking for seed funding. Average Annual returns of 15-16% are very feasible. Looking to increase our trading capital.

Do contact at graizada@iragecapital.com


Title: Re: seed capital to stat arb / high frequency trading.
Post by Algo Designer on 04/08/09 at 12:56:51

Are your strategies fully automated? What is the Sharpe ratio and how do you calculate it?

Title: Re: seed capital to stat arb / high frequency trading.
Post by zip10065nyc on 04/08/09 at 13:33:39

to: Nihil desperandum

yes - the strategy is fully automated while manual intervention is available......the sharpe ratio is simply calculated at the ratio of annual return to annual risk (zero risk free rate)...conservatively at 2 to 3 or higher.

Title: Re: seed capital to stat arb / high frequency trading.
Post by Algo Designer on 04/08/09 at 13:38:35

Is it index arb, pairs, composite pairs or something fancier? If it is simple arb, I would expect the Sharpe ratio to be somewhat higher, althouth 2 to 3 would be brilliant for a "punting" strategy.

Title: Re: seed capital to stat arb / high frequency trading.
Post by zip10065nyc on 04/08/09 at 14:22:01

to: Nihil desperandum

it is a psure stat arb......max draw down is about 3%-4%.   you make $50m in pnl with sharp ratio of 1.8 vs you make $500K with sharp ratio of 4.   it is about scalability....

Title: Re: seed capital to stat arb / high frequency trading.
Post by Yury R on 04/09/09 at 13:52:38

I always thought that
a) sharpe ration without any confidence interval is absolutely useless
b) if lower than 3 - then we just cannot establish a fact that the strategy has positive return at all at, say 97% confidence level. Just look at the formula for confidence interval for average return - it is +- 2.97 stdev.
c) max drawdown is equally useless measure - it is just 1 random number from the past. If we had a distribution of drawdowns - then it would be more useful.

Or am I wrong and/or statistical significance is irrelevant to investments?

Title: Re: seed capital to stat arb / high frequency trading.
Post by zip10065nyc on 04/09/09 at 14:28:13

to: Yury R

sorry - you are WRONG......does sharp ratio have a probability distribution?  say it another way, can you apply probability interval to your salary or to your weight or to your height?  

you like this forum - that is good.  i am looking for seed capital here, not to educate people.  :-)


Title: Re: seed capital to stat arb / high frequency trading.
Post by Yury R on 04/09/09 at 15:13:00

I am sorry that this concept is inconvenient for you. And sorry for offending your religious feelings :)

But how do you differentiate between sharpe ratio based on 10 trades or on 100 trades. Certainly, the later is more certain, isn't it?

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Post by floortrader on 05/28/09 at 16:36:15

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Title: Re: seed capital to stat arb / high frequency trading.
Post by zip10065nyc on 05/28/09 at 16:57:32

there are two types of camps i would like to avoid on wall street: 1) people who have no clue about stat arb but create all kinds of polictics to make business hard to expand; 2) people are smart so they would like to know what and how you do (that is, disclose all your model and code).  these two camps of people make wall street INEFFICIENT that is why we can arbitrage!?!?  :-)  team work is good if you do not have a working model; team work will not be good if you do have a working model.  agree?

Title: Re: seed capital to stat arb / high frequency trading.
Post by floortrader on 05/28/09 at 17:20:36

im not really sure if u were responding to my posts, but if so i wish u well. team work is a concept i believe in and have for my entire career. BTW..anyone who may not be interested in an opportunity but may just want to pick my brain or ask my opinion on any matter,feel free,  im quite sure i have a bit more experience then most and am very willing to share any thoughts. best of luck to all..P.S. this is not a game for the individual, but i wish all well.

Title: Re: seed capital to stat arb / high frequency trading.
Post by zip10065nyc on 05/28/09 at 17:49:10

think about all these large banks:  they work as a team; they bring you in for interview and collect thoughts or they will require you to disclose things and then bye bye.   but on the other hand, people who invest capital should know something about what you do.....so there is a balance.....

more:  certain people talking about mili seconds of trading at supersonic speeeeeeeeeed.  do people know how many trades can be done for each second, on average?

Title: Re: seed capital to stat arb / high frequency trading.
Post by Yuqing on 08/21/09 at 16:14:06

Hi, I am interested in the chance you mentioned. I am quant developer and computer background, but very expect trading.  My email: hyqus@yahoo.com.

Title: Re: seed capital to stat arb / high frequency trading.
Post by Phoenix on 08/28/09 at 05:35:11

Yury,

I agree a confidence interval for Sharpe ratio is better than a single number. But how should we estimate the confidence interval? Do we calculate a Sharpe ratio on a trade by trade basis in order to generate a random sample from which we calculate the confidence interval? But trades don't have the same duration. So should we instead estimate the Sharpe ratio of a strategy on periods of fixed length, say periods of two months, and therefore generate a new sample (smaller than the first)? Should we use periods as long as a year? I guess there is a tradeoff here. We want the sample to be large enough, but the Sharpe ratio estimates are better over longer periods. Unless we annualize the two month estimates. Can we do that?

I have another question: how should we take into account the time when a strategy is out of the market in our Sharpe ratio estimation? Should we consider the periods when a strategy is out of the market as periods with zero returns and include the periods in our calculation or should we simply forget the idle periods and instead use proper multiplicator when annualizing the Sharpe ratio?

Thanks!

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